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in the 1930s president franklin delano

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roosevelt addressed the nation through a

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series of radio broadcasts known as the

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fireside chats his aim was to reassure

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the common man that our society would

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recover from its troubled times well

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we're far from 1930 and i deal with a

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different kind of fire for a new era of

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worldly frustration we offer a fresh

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conversation i'm greg carlwood and these

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are the higher side chats

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happy days are here again higher side

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chatters from sunny san diego i'm greg

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carlwood and ever since the state

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started marching kids to legally

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mandated public schools it's been a

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hotbed for behaviorists and

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psychologists to study and manipulate

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the minds of the youth away from the

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prying eyes of parents and guardians all

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under the guise of a tax-funded public

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service

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and everyone knows the elite class gets

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a completely different education but

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nobody seems all that concerned with

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raising our standard as they let it slip

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as low as we'll let it go but even the

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structure itself is a psychological mind

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[\h__\h] of pavlovian training to the sound

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of bells a 15-year trap of authoritarian

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dominance a daily half hour in the yard

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most familiar to prisoners and a

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wholesome nutrition of the lowest

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quality corporate food imaginable

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it's never been good but in the digital

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age it's only getting worse and you

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might remember today's returning guest

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john kleisack sounding his alarm early

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last year when we talked about his book

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school world order the technocratic

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globalization of corporatized education

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and before we ever knew the catalyst

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would be covid he wrote the book on all

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the red flags in education that signaled

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a move to no classrooms computer-based

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learning adaptive ai software programs

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truly permanent blockchain-based records

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and an intentional disregard and

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downplaying of the human touch and

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teaching the unquantifiable impact of

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the right human in the right classroom

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he warned us about these things in march

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of 2020 when we just started to hear the

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terms mask mandate vaccine passport

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social distancing and distance learning

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and now he's back to break down how it

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all came to pass in the postcovid world

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john is just the guy to do it as he's

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got an m.a in english and has taught

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college rhetoric and research

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argumentation for over eight years he's

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also the director of writing and editing

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at black freighter productions books

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he holds a black belt in classical

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taekwondo and he is a certified

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kickboxing instructor under the

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international muay thai boxing

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the man who saw the writing on the wall

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the edgar cayce of education the taoist

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professor himself john welcome back to

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hey greg it's an honor to be back thanks

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so much oh man such a pleasure and you

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deserve a serious pat on the back

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because you called it you were one of

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the very few people talking about these

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things in 2019 i had a couple of

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conversations about ipads in the

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classroom and the gates foundations

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massive investment and software based

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education and i would always say to

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these guests hey i understand they want

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to go this direction but there would

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have to be one hell of a catalyst to

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stop kids from going to school in person

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with teachers and well one hell of a

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catalyst we got to break us in here let

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me just ask you

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if you could add a new chapter to the

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book about the events of the last year

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and a half and how kids and schools were

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affected what would you say about it oh

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well you know i thought when i wrote the

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book that i was gonna have maybe like 10

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got slowly implemented and that you know

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it would sound less and less crazy

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and then people would actually listen to

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what i had to say about it

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you know if i had to add a new chapter

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an ebook i've written quite a few

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distance learning is pretty much here to

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that inversions of hybrid learning which

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we'll get into today and the goal of

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that is to data mine the students

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through all the different types of

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softwares

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that i speculated about in the book so

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today we'll take a look at some of the

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newer trends that are picking up

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last time we talked a lot about charter

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schools and some of these devices today

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community schools which have a

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charter schools and then

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called unesco study 11 and how basically

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all this stuff has been being set up

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and i hate to say it because i'm a

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public educator and i'm active in my

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union i'm actually a union officer but

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our teachers unions at least the upper

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brass of these unions are not helping

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the situation

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they seem to be complicit in partnering

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in pushing this agenda

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would be something that focuses on some

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of the new deregulations like 85

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fr18638 which deregulates distance

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learning we look at how we're

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transitioning from the charter school

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model to the community school model

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and how this push towards this thing

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called the fourth industrial revolution

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is getting its final nail in the coffin

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sort of hammered in

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through these edtech partnerships that

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teachers unions sadly

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well that is a great introduction and

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you sent me a really thorough outline

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for this which i appreciate and links to

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some of your recent bit shoot videos and

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recent articles and i know largely from

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yourself and allison mcdowell's work

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that the realm of education is a very

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important domain for the technocratic

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biosurveillance state's plans

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and if we're going to get into this

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outline the first bullet point is about

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an article you wrote for new politics

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what is that article about

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so that one is about the dangers of

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edtech privatization through this new

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towards this thing called community

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schools so

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previously i talked a lot about

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charter schools which my book focuses a

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lot on and i touched on community

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schools in the book but

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only tangentially i mainly focused on

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charter schools as the main instrument

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for public-private partnerships so a

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charter school

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is a private educational corporation

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that is subsidized with tax dollars

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and they don't have elected school

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those are one of the first instruments

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looking at how things are going now i

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really think that they were meant to be

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involves something called lifelong

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public private wrap around services okay

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health care services

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criminal justice at risk prevention

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crime prevention for students who are at

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and then it has a data mining component

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to track those okay so with the charter

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you pretty much have a public private

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but with the community schools

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you have the same thing

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except that there is one slight

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difference and that is that a community

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school can have an elected board okay it

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doesn't have to though because they

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actually have things called community

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so in a lot of ways especially under the

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new cardona administration the secretary

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of ed cardona these are kind of being

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pushed as like the antidote to charter

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schools right and so they're largely

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you can hear the communitarian rhetoric

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like it's more public based

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but in the every student succeeds act

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in order to receive federal funding for

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what is known as a full-service

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community school you have to implement

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those wraparound services which include

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and then you have to date attract that

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and those have to be funneled through

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public-private partnerships so they are

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although i would say there's more

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government involved in that

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public-private partnership

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right on right on yes this relates to

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one of the videos you had sent me and in

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the description for that you talk about

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how you document the history of

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community schooling and illustrate this

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history with several examples of

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privatized community schooling projects

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managed by multinational corporations

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including ibm

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and monsanto which is quite troubling

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monsanto has a huge incentive to get in

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front of people young and convince them

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that they're not a problem and ibm has a

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pretty sketchy history too in terms of

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managing individuals

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so

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yeah those are red flags for sure but i

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guess you mentioned cardona miguel

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cardona what's important to know about

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him

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so i think he was chosen largely because

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he doesn't have a lot of political

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baggage is one of the main reasons they

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picked him

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he is actually a teacher he actually has

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taught although he moved pretty quickly

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into administration

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he was the commissioner of education in

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connecticut

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early on before he was picked there was

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some moves to

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maybe get somebody like the president of

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the american federation of teachers

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union randy weingarten in there or other

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high up union people like lily garcia

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i think those people came with too much

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political baggage as much as they may

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have wanted them in there so what they

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did was they went with

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cardona and cardona

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there's a few things that are on his

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agenda that he talks a lot about

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community schools is on there

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but two other buzzwords he likes to use

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have to do with equity

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and the other one with these alternative

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assessments so

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basically the equity has a lot to do

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with a lot of the crt stuff racial

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justice social justice stuff

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the alternative assessments which tie

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into the equity stuff have to do with

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the fact that during covid right

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everybody's learning was disrupted

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right we don't have the traditional

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systems and so there's a big call for

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teachers and

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administrators

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to roll back the traditional

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standardized testing that we would

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usually hold

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to rank everybody so in other words

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how fair is it to hold students to these

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standardized tests if they've had this

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really crazy year of learning with all

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this experimental tech and and all the

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chaos that involve so they want to get

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rid of the standardized test but there's

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therefore a push for alternative

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assessments and what these alternative

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assessments largely take the shape of is

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something called performance-based

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assessments

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and the way they could easily implement

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this could just be by aggregating all of

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the learning analytics from the various

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platforms that the students have been on

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right so you don't even have to take a

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test just aggregate all their different

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scores on all the different

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adaptive learning software and the

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learning management services and things

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like that

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and then just aggregate that into a

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score that says you know how competent

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they are and i should mention that these

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performance-based assessments do come

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out of the community schooling model

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which was largely pushed by somebody by

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the name of linda darling hammond

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linda darling hammond is the one who

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advised the biden transition team to

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pick cardona for the secretary of

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education she was also an advisor

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to president obama

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and when she was advising obama she was

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pushing something called

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a portfolio-based approach to quote

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school choice now school choice is a

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buzzword for public-private partnerships

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in other words charter schools so she is

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favorable to both charter schools and

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community schools as sort of two sides

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of the same coin

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and she's a huge proponent of community

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schools

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and she comes out of that whole

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community school

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crowd i should mention that one of the

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institutions one of those community

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schooling institutions is called the

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coalition of essential schools and that

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was set up by somebody called ted sizer

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and again

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in addition to the wraparound services

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and the data mining there is also the

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performance-based assessments that are

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largely pushed through at tech and we

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should just add one more thing which is

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that linda darling hammond

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is the ceo at the learning policy

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institute at stanford and that is funded

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by

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the hewlett foundation which is the not

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tax-exempt arm of the hp computer

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corporation

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hmm

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wow man and you really know

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how this is all connected and who's

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responsible but for people who are

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listening who maybe have kids in school

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and are seeing some of this stuff

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obviously distance learning through the

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computer is not great there are a lot of

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problems with it some people who are

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still stuck in the covid fear bubble

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think it's

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necessary

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but setting that aside

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these things are always framed as

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stuff that is good for the children

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advancements and upgrades to education

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and learning how do we know that this is

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more like a trojan horse what would you

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say to people who maybe

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don't see why this is so negative

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well the first thing i would say is

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i recently spent 30 days at charlotte

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thompson israel beats house and she gave

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me access to all of her files

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it was 36 file cabinets full it took me

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100 hours to go through it she let me

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take it all home i've been building a

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database with it and uploading it it

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literally take me a lifetime but one of

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the things that i discovered by digging

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through all the stuff that she kept for

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at least 40 years now it's 50 because it

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some of it goes back to the 70s someone

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goes back to the 60s but i don't think

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she was gathering it at that time but a

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lot of these buzzwords that you see

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coming up that seem like they're new and

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trendy they've been around forever

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basically i mean at least for 40 years

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okay so none of this stuff is new this

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has been a long-term agenda

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if you look at the key players involved

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we mentioned a couple of them ibm's a

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big one microsoft is another one apple

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is another one

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these companies have a long history of

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not exactly having the people's interest

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in mind

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and then the other part of it that you

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could look at

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to see that this is more about

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corporate profit

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data mining

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values clarification social engineering

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is that

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you can look at the way that they even

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promote the edtech now and they always

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do it with a caveat that yeah you know

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there's been a lot of learning losses

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from distance learning but

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you know we still got to do it because

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kovit's too dangerous to go back to in

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person learning so they basically admit

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that it's an inferior product and then

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the key players involved

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are a little bit nefarious and you know

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they've been

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driving this agenda

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single-mindedly for a long time so i

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think those are all red flags that it's

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not for the benefit of the students

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right right and it's very coincidental

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how much

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foresight they had before this random

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pandemic because so much planning and

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investment was made in these very

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technologies and it seems like it fits

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the mold of problem reaction solution

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yeah definitely you know you could even

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see some of the timelines that they had

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for the fourth industrial revolution

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which sometimes they called the

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information revolution in zubignu

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brzezinski's between two ages he calls

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it the technotronic era and they pretty

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much all aimed for the same moment in

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time around 2020

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so

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if you're a company and you've got your

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20 50-year plan

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and you're you know hanging out at the

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trilateral commission and you're getting

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together to sort of coordinate things

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it's probably not that hard to do right

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to make sure that once ever all that

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infrastructure is put in place that we

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can have an event that will necessitate

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its implementation

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[Music]

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well said and another one of these key

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things people should understand is

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something called the good lad study

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obviously funded by a lot of the

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nefarious capstone cabal names and

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players we've heard before tell us about

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this good lad study

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okay so john goodlad

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was funded

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with money from the national institute

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of education which was a branch of the

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u.s department of education that no

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longer exists

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several rockefeller philanthropies

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the carnegie institute for the

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advancement of teaching and learning and

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then the kettering foundation and what

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the good lad study did was it created

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four manuals this is in the late 70s

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some of them early 80s

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for propagating community schools and

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these include

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a place called schooling

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schooling for a global age

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and communities and their schools

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and there's one called arts in the

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schools okay and these are all used

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as basically manuals for teachers to

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follow protocols for implementing

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community schools and i should mention

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that

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the coalition of essential schools where

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linda darling hammond her role at the

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coalition of essential schools

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ces

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that was set up by somebody named ted

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sizer okay and ted cizer

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basically is following the good lad

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study in fact he writes the forward to

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an updated edition of a place called

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school which is written by

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good lad so

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again the good lad study is basically

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the beginning of all the community-based

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education stuff that they're pushing now

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so again if you know they push it as oh

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it's this new

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foil to charter schools it's really not

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right it's about at least 40 years old

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maybe getting closer to 50 years old

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okay and

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maybe we should mention that

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from the time of the good lad study

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to when ted seizer sort of picks it up

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sets up the coalition for essential

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schools all the way down to darling

565
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,200
hammond and now cardona

566
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,200
there have been consistent funding from

567
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:51,440
some of the same foundations one of them

568
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:53,840
being the annenberg foundation so ted

569
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,960
sizer gets 50 million dollars during the

570
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:58,720
clinton administration to fund his

571
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,320
community schools

572
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,320
he came up with this idea of small

573
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,480
schools which was a concept that was

574
00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:05,919
picked up by

575
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,280
bill ayers

576
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,200
during the time when

577
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:11,760
that whole scandal with him and obama

578
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:13,039
their little connection through the

579
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,799
annenberg foundation that was the

580
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,200
connection it was bill ayers setting up

581
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:19,039
small schools which are community

582
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,039
schools around that same time you had

583
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,080
the chicago annenberg challenge

584
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:26,640
arne duncan was involved in that and

585
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:28,640
later he becomes the secretary of

586
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,840
education for obama okay and so from

587
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:33,840
clinton all the way to obama and now

588
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,480
into the joe biden administration which

589
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,640
is basically an extension of the obama

590
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:40,480
administration right we have

591
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,039
consistent funding from some of the same

592
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:45,440
foundations the same pedagogy the same

593
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:52,789
another tangled web for sure

594
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:54,480
and you mentioned that we were going to

595
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,080
talk about the unesco study eleven and

596
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,559
this is the next thing on your bullet

597
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,880
pointed outline what is so important

598
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:04,720
about this study

599
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:07,280
so this is something that i found

600
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:11,360
going through charlotte's archives and

601
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:14,240
it basically shows that

602
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,520
all of the edtech stuff the global

603
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,679
infrastructure of it

604
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,760
it's been set up for the past 40 years

605
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,360
so the way i this is one of the first

606
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,679
files i opened up actually

607
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:27,760
and it was funny as i pulled it out of

608
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,559
the

609
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,039
manila envelope that it was in

610
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,840
i could see how it was collated right

611
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:35,840
away before i even dug into it to just

612
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:36,640
see

613
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,760
how these

614
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,080
different blocks worked together so

615
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,159
these documents were given to charlotte

616
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,159
israel by somebody by the name of

617
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:46,240
lawrence p grayson

618
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,559
he worked at the national institute of

619
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,400
education while charlotte was there he

620
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,240
was the us department of education's

621
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:55,039
liaison with unesco for at least 10

622
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:56,640
years

623
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,120
and he was the main liaison

624
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:01,679
with unesco study 11.

625
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:04,480
and so what he had in that file was

626
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:07,360
he had a package of the actual

627
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:09,919
unesco study 11 project

628
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:11,440
which was a

629
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,320
partnership between unesco

630
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,799
and western capitalist countries and

631
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:18,960
then also eastern bloc socialist and

632
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:22,559
communist nations in a regional grouping

633
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:25,440
and so if you took a look at it he had

634
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:27,760
the individual white papers from all of

635
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,120
the different countries that were

636
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,880
involved in addition to the overview

637
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:32,080
document

638
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:34,159
and what it showed was that there was a

639
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:38,400
combination of it was basically

640
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:41,039
partnering the multinational western

641
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,950
with the soviet bloc statecraft so what

642
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,880
i mean by that is that

643
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:50,400
they were partnering with these

644
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,600
multinational companies to set up the

645
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,279
global markets

646
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:56,960
for exchanging

647
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,679
edtech software so you could basically

648
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,120
ship it all the way across all these

649
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,440
borders but then they're also looking

650
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,559
into

651
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,880
the socialist and communist statecraft

652
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,640
in terms of how they centralize their

653
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:10,960
education system so it wanted to use the

654
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:13,600
multinational companies to basically

655
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,159
distribute the technologies the edtech

656
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,799
products worldwide but then domestically

657
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,039
in each nation it wanted to implement

658
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:24,000
centralized modes of socialist or

659
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,200
communist

660
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:27,279
statecraft and there is a previous

661
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,159
document before unesco study 11 which

662
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:32,960
went with this collated file

663
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,880
and it had to do with the development of

664
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:38,960
technology in

665
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:40,960
eastern block europe and it literally in

666
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:44,240
there says that socialist countries are

667
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,880
at an advantage to implement edtech

668
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:49,440
because they have a centralized system

669
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,880
so before they started study 11

670
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,559
which partnered with these companies

671
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,880
they were already saying that ultimately

672
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,880
we want a centralized system

673
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,799
to implement it okay and then so the

674
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,039
other things that were in that file

675
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,840
were a bunch of academic journals and

676
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:07,679
the academic journals

677
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,400
included advertisements from the same

678
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,640
companies at tech companies you have ibm

679
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,200
microsoft apple they were in study 11

680
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,200
the journals also had white papers from

681
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:19,200
study 11 republished

682
00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:20,400
and then

683
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,919
through my own research looking at

684
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,760
charlotte's letters

685
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,760
i was able to uncover

686
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,880
how

687
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:29,039
project best which

688
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,559
basic education skills through

689
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,240
technology which was the document that

690
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:34,320
she leaked and got fired for basically

691
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,679
wanted to set up

692
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,600
public private partnerships that would

693
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,360
replace academics with workforce

694
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,880
training through

695
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,320
skinner box computers that

696
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:44,000
psychologically condition the students

697
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:45,279
for workforce

698
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:46,960
competence and

699
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:49,360
that was basically america's domestic

700
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,880
version of the unesco study 11 project

701
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:54,640
and i discovered that by looking at a

702
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,320
series of internal memos that she had

703
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:00,640
from the department of education so

704
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:03,279
basically unesco study 11 was partnering

705
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:04,320
with

706
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,919
western capitalist countries eastern

707
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,320
bloc communist statecraft

708
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,000
regional partnerships in the united

709
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,000
states with project best academic

710
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:14,159
journals which were publicizing it and

711
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,679
then there was also he had included in

712
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,679
there were law journals

713
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,840
which were looking into how can we

714
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,559
restructure international laws to

715
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,080
standardize

716
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:26,880
that distribution of those technologies

717
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,600
across borders

718
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,679
and this is all to set up the fourth

719
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,760
industrial revolution and they called it

720
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,679
in those law journals the information

721
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:37,200
revolution

722
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:38,640
right

723
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:41,760
and to talk a little bit more about the

724
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,720
actual tools they're using you mentioned

725
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,279
skinner box computers programmed for

726
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,440
psychological conditioning

727
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:51,600
tell us a little bit more about that how

728
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,360
it actually applies to a kid using it or

729
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:57,039
any of these technologies that they're

730
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,279
currently implementing what is the real

731
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:02,320
world experience of a child engaging

732
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,200
with this technology

733
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,640
so the theory comes out of

734
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,480
stimulus response psychology goes back

735
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,320
to will hellmuth and then

736
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,400
his changes into behaviorism later and

737
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:16,159
then opera and conditioning finally with

738
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,640
bf skinner the whole idea is you use

739
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:20,640
rewards and punishments like animal

740
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,919
training to elicit responses so you know

741
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,120
instead of

742
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,000
fido's got a treat to get him to sit or

743
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:30,000
to roll over or whatever

744
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,200
you're going to

745
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,600
use other rewards like maybe the gold

746
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,919
star system right at the school and then

747
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,919
maybe punishments and something like

748
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,720
detentions that's the early mode of

749
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:43,440
using schenerian conditioning in the

750
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:45,440
schools so it's a reward and punishment

751
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,440
system which basically targets the

752
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,600
reflex system or the nervous system to

753
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:52,000
bypass higher order thinking right in

754
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,960
other words

755
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,880
you don't want the student to be having

756
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,360
their own conceptual ideas about how

757
00:28:02,230 --> 00:27:59,520
they want to respond to

758
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,240
learning stimuli or workforce stimuli

759
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,240
you just want them to have a reaction to

760
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,720
it so you take that mechanism you put it

761
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,039
on a computer the stimuli becomes

762
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,600
whatever is the learning stimuli on the

763
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,440
digital module so maybe it's a short

764
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,000
answer a matching question multiple

765
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,799
choice okay your response is going to be

766
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,520
you know your answer on the matching or

767
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,440
the multiple choice and then based on

768
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,360
how effectively you respond to the

769
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:27,840
learning stimuli on the digital device

770
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:31,120
you're going to either be remediated to

771
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,159
improve

772
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,240
or if you're good enough at it right you

773
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,399
might be accelerated maybe to like i

774
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,720
don't know maybe an advanced ap or a

775
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,880
honors course or something like that but

776
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,120
this mechanism of tracking you into

777
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:44,880
remediation or

778
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,679
higher learning based on your

779
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,919
efficiency or lack thereof in response

780
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,240
to the learning stimuli this is known as

781
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:54,320
the personalized education it also

782
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,679
relates to the performance-based

783
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,840
education that we talked about earlier

784
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:59,840
and so that's basically how it works now

785
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,799
i mean

786
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:02,399
i heard also in that question like what

787
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,880
is the student's experience so maybe

788
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:06,799
voted in that question is like how

789
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:09,520
effective is it and do they like it um

790
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,480
you know

791
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,679
they try to make some of these a little

792
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,600
more interactive so like they'll have

793
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:15,840
like video games this is called gamified

794
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,399
learning involved and sometimes

795
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:20,480
multimedia video and things like that

796
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,240
and so you know that's to i guess

797
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,399
trigger the reward center more to make

798
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,960
it more fun i suppose

799
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:28,399
i haven't really looked at any of the

800
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,919
simulation video games as of late

801
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,520
but i remember when i was a kid they had

802
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,080
the educational games and i never i

803
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:38,000
never thought they were very fun so i

804
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,600
don't know how good they are at

805
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,760
triggering the reward system

806
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,600
i remember the orrick on trail video

807
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:45,120
game i used to just

808
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,720
all i ever wanted to do was go hunting

809
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:48,480
and shoot the bear i never wanted to go

810
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:51,679
across the trail anyways anyways but so

811
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:54,320
do they enjoy it i can't tell you that

812
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,600
and how effective is it i would say that

813
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,440
and this is anecdotal

814
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:00,880
that is

815
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:03,760
the easier you make something

816
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:07,039
the more you remove the challenges

817
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:10,000
the less rewarding it actually is right

818
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,360
and so

819
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:13,279
i would think that that would actually

820
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,880
impede

821
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:16,799
the highest levels of achievement it

822
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,799
might get the student who's relatively

823
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,640
apathetic to do more

824
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:23,760
but as far as pushing themselves to dig

825
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,320
deeper i don't think that that mechanism

826
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,399
has that involved because it's a very

827
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:30,159
passive system

828
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:31,919
that's basically working at the

829
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,159
subliminal level right so looking at the

830
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,240
lower regions of the brain more the

831
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,919
reptile part of the brain the limbic

832
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,360
system and things like that it's not

833
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,159
really triggering higher order thinking

834
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,080
mm-hmm that's a great point about

835
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:46,080
lowering the bar and making things

836
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,520
easier to create the perception that

837
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,360
kids are just coasting right on through

838
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,240
these programs best and brightest but

839
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,880
you know they've been made to be easy

840
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,480
you could think you're doing well and

841
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,480
then not find out that you weren't doing

842
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,720
that great until it's too late

843
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,200
we all know difficult and uncomfortable

844
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,360
challenges make us better and teach us

845
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,519
lessons but we're being conditioned to

846
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,840
be soft and comfortable

847
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,080
in many ways but this all seems to be

848
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,480
another element of that

849
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,399
but what's also scary to me is it sounds

850
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:20,480
like you're saying that from an early

851
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:24,159
age kids that rebel or don't thrive in

852
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,600
this system will be marked as such and

853
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,519
that stigma is going to follow them

854
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,080
through the whole program potentially

855
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,080
which would have been a nightmare for me

856
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:36,720
because i was trouble but even still it

857
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,200
did feel like good grades were more

858
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,440
closely associated with compliance

859
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,240
rather than real intelligence now that's

860
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,399
going to be true on steroids and kids

861
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:48,960
can get a reputation that can be hard to

862
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,679
shake but to digitize that and connect

863
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,919
it to a profile that's even more set in

864
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:54,960
stone

865
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:57,840
nobody should be assumed to be a certain

866
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,480
way based on their behavior at 10 years

867
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,120
old or 15 years old this is really

868
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,960
concerning to me man and it starts to

869
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,440
sound like the prison system good luck

870
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,200
getting back on the good track when

871
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,440
you've been labeled a felon it's a

872
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,039
pretty sticky label

873
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,200
and in that minority report way what

874
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,760
you're describing sounds pretty similar

875
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:19,039
to

876
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,640
pre-judging based on some previous

877
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:24,399
mistakes and it just seems like a

878
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,000
dangerous game to be playing with kids

879
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,080
yeah definitely

880
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,240
once upon a time

881
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,559
you know you might be tracked into the

882
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,200
you know behavioral disorder group or

883
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:38,799
the you know the bad kids whatever you

884
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:42,000
want label they want to give it yeah and

885
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,279
you know

886
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,120
you can come to another teacher next

887
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,440
year or in a different class and that

888
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,440
teacher might not know anything about

889
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,279
that right and they might see you

890
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,600
perform differently in that class i mean

891
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,519
i was a bit of

892
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,000
that's a bit of a troublemaker myself

893
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,240
and i've been tracked into honors

894
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:01,760
classes but i also was tracked into

895
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,880
remedial classes because i was causing

896
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,399
problems in the

897
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,440
honors classes but i i remembered that i

898
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,120
did behave differently in different

899
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:13,200
classes based on the teacher and there

900
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:14,480
were some teachers that just would not

901
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,080
let me get away with that stuff and they

902
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,840
would shut me down on day one and i

903
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:19,440
performed fine in there and those

904
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,720
teachers would be like well i don't have

905
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,240
a problem with them why do you have a

906
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:24,640
problem with them so in other words

907
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:26,480
that one teacher might hold you to

908
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,200
whatever data that you exhibited you

909
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,200
know early on in the class but

910
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:33,039
if it's not on a permanent ledger you

911
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:34,320
know you at least have the chance that

912
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:36,399
some other teacher might see you

913
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,919
differently might be able to work with

914
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:39,039
you better

915
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:40,720
and you're not going to be held to this

916
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,600
other

917
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,279
standard but right if it's on a

918
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,360
permanent ledger that follows you with

919
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:47,440
your learning analytics especially on

920
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,960
some of this blockchain stuff that they

921
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,720
want to integrate

922
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,799
before the teacher the next teacher ever

923
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:54,159
sees you

924
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,279
they're already going to have a

925
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,919
presupposition about you based on this

926
00:34:02,789 --> 00:33:59,760
data and then since all of the

927
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:02,799
instruction goes through the module even

928
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,039
if the teacher might intuitively see

929
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:06,880
something else going on with the student

930
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,520
in a lot of ways they're locked into

931
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,919
aggregating that data they have to

932
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:14,399
incorporate it to their responses

933
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:16,639
in the e-learning module so

934
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,240
it definitely is meant to track you into

935
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,879
basically a caste system i would say in

936
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,000
you know you mentioned the whole

937
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,240
criminal justice thing remember that's

938
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:28,720
part of the wraparound services so you

939
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,280
know it was kamala harris who was

940
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,520
arresting parents for

941
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,119
not bringing their kids to school on

942
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:37,200
time and the justification for her was

943
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,919
well

944
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,599
people who don't go to school tend to

945
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,359
become criminals so basically you're

946
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,760
contributing to crime by not putting

947
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,440
your kids in school so we're just going

948
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,040
to nip it in the butt and put you in

949
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:49,760
jail first so take that concept put it

950
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:52,159
on this permanent ledger and basically

951
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:53,919
say to the student hey you're not

952
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,240
learning so well we might need to put

953
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,960
you in a crime prevention program you

954
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,200
know some new dare program or something

955
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,599
like that because you know you have the

956
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,599
potential to become a criminal down the

957
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,240
line just because you don't do so well

958
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,320
on your worksheets or your learning

959
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,599
module

960
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,680
yeah well said and

961
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,680
it seems like there's a seinfeld episode

962
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:17,760
for everything but it reminds me of an

963
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:20,880
episode of seinfeld where elaine was at

964
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:25,040
the doctor's office and saw her file and

965
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:25,760
it

966
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,400
said that she was a difficult patient

967
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,560
and then she got caught looking at it

968
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,240
and the doctor writes down something

969
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,640
else and then she switches doctors and

970
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,200
then that doctor reads her file and

971
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:39,359
instantly changes the way he interacts

972
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:42,079
with her and she just can't escape what

973
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,320
is written in this file and it is quite

974
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,200
funny but that's just pen and paper and

975
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:49,920
manila folders that get transferred in a

976
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,680
you know physical way

977
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,359
put that on the blockchain and you'll

978
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:55,599
never escape the perception and all

979
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:58,640
these people in the club will have this

980
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,880
way of looking at you before they even

981
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,079
get to you

982
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:04,800
and it's all predetermined based on how

983
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:07,680
you acted when you were really young and

984
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:10,960
they know that we all lash out and

985
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,560
aren't necessarily our best selves at 14

986
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,960
but that's gonna follow through forever

987
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,520
and i think this is really

988
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,680
super dangerous stuff and one of the

989
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:23,920
other things on this outline that i

990
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:26,720
thought was really interesting is you

991
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,680
write about the teachers unions selling

992
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:31,760
out to big tech and that we have some

993
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:35,200
evidence of this through cdc emails what

994
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:37,680
can you tell us about that

995
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:41,119
so americans for public trust leaked

996
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:42,000
some

997
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:43,359
emails

998
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:47,119
from the aft and the nea to the cdc and

999
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,240
basically they were asking the cdc to

1000
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,920
tighten up its restrictions so you know

1001
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,520
all this talk about follow the science

1002
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:55,920
and the cdc are experts well if that's

1003
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:58,400
the case why are you telling them to

1004
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,599
reduce

1005
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,680
the social distancing from six feet to

1006
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,680
three feet right at the time the cdc was

1007
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,200
saying you know what you can go back to

1008
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,440
in-person learning with a three-foot

1009
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,000
social distancing which to me is silly

1010
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,760
because it either travels six feet or it

1011
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:13,520
does if you're gonna go in half to three

1012
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,720
feet might as well just get rid of it

1013
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,040
entirely okay but three feet at least

1014
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:19,040
probably gives you enough space where

1015
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:20,800
you can probably fit

1016
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,359
all the kids in the desks at the same

1017
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:25,839
time six feet is going to require you to

1018
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,119
use hybrid or blended learning okay so

1019
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,880
hybrid learning or blended learning is

1020
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:31,920
the concept that comes out of the

1021
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:34,160
charter school industry again one of the

1022
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:35,839
first proponents was the knowledge's

1023
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,720
power program otherwise known as kip so

1024
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,280
what it is is basically

1025
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:43,040
blended learning can be just where

1026
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,880
you're actually in the room all day but

1027
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,560
you're always on a computer and the

1028
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:48,560
teacher is basically a facilitator

1029
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,560
hybrid learning is more where you're

1030
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,400
doing that but

1031
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,960
half the class is actually at home doing

1032
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,720
the distance learning

1033
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,160
and then half the class is doing the

1034
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,400
blended learning in the room and then

1035
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:02,160
they alternate days

1036
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:03,680
throughout the week

1037
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,920
and so i looked at that and it's like

1038
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,839
well that makes sense to me because if

1039
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:09,920
you look at the history of both the aft

1040
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,800
and the nea they have been in bed

1041
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,280
mainly with ibm but also with microsoft

1042
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:17,359
and then obviously it's tax-exempt arm

1043
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,359
the bill and melinda gates foundation

1044
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,760
going all the way back to the 1960s the

1045
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:24,480
aft has been connected to the

1046
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,800
rockefeller foundation for longer

1047
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,440
particularly through its founding member

1048
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,200
john dewey and that's going back

1049
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,119
basically a hundred years so in other

1050
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:35,440
words both of these unions have a long

1051
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,160
track record of investing in this whole

1052
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,320
edtech system for this fourth industrial

1053
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:42,560
revolution so

1054
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:44,400
the way i saw it was that you know they

1055
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,960
basically want to perpetuate this system

1056
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,200
to push all the stuff they've been

1057
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,440
pushing and basically get a return

1058
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:54,240
on their investments so

1059
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,839
i can break that down with some

1060
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:57,839
historical examples but

1061
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,280
that seems to be the case because i

1062
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:01,200
don't see any other reason why they

1063
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:02,000
would

1064
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:04,160
go against what the cdc recommends right

1065
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,200
i thought we were all supposed to just

1066
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:07,680
blindly do what the cdc says

1067
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:08,960
right we're supposed to trust the

1068
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:11,440
medical experts not tell the medical

1069
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:14,240
experts what we want them to recommend

1070
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:15,680
it's a little bit backwards in that

1071
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,720
regard

1072
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:18,880
and kind of along the lines of never

1073
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,520
being able to shake this record you have

1074
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:23,520
a bullet point here about charter

1075
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,880
schools and cradle to career education

1076
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:28,480
and that's really

1077
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,440
the

1078
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,040
crux here it's like

1079
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:33,440
do we have evidence or

1080
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:36,320
even just whispers that are suggesting

1081
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:37,200
that

1082
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:40,240
these records for young kids will

1083
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:41,599
actually

1084
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,720
result in what jobs they're allowed to

1085
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:46,960
have or encouraged to have when they're

1086
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:49,760
finished with education

1087
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,200
okay so that would tie into something

1088
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,280
called the micro credentialing and then

1089
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:57,200
they have these digital badges which

1090
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,880
relate to this thing called pay for

1091
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,560
success which is in every student

1092
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,160
succeeds act

1093
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,640
allison mcdowell does a really good job

1094
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,400
with her research on that that's

1095
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,480
something i haven't dug as much into as

1096
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,800
she has but basically it works like this

1097
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:12,880
okay these micro credentials

1098
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,280
you can earn these through schools but

1099
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,720
usually they're going to be directly

1100
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,040
from a company and it's going to be like

1101
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:22,560
narrowly defined for specific job skills

1102
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,560
and so you get that micro credential and

1103
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,480
then they put it on a digital badge and

1104
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,560
then you can use this digital badge as

1105
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,240
like your workforce competency

1106
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,560
certificate and that can improve

1107
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,560
your chance at getting

1108
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:36,800
particular jobs especially industries

1109
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:39,200
where they ask for these types of micro

1110
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,319
credential

1111
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:43,040
digital badges okay and so it's not

1112
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,200
necessarily that it will force you into

1113
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:47,280
that but another way to say it is

1114
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:49,040
if you want that job you're going to

1115
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,720
need it and then what that also does

1116
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,800
though is it opens up the doors

1117
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,800
for something called impact investing

1118
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:56,800
which again alice mcdonald does an

1119
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:59,680
excellent job with her research on that

1120
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:01,760
and basically it works like this

1121
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,319
so there's different ways you can invest

1122
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:06,720
for impact financing or social impact

1123
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,880
financing sometimes it's sustainability

1124
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:10,800
financing it could be for gender equity

1125
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:13,839
it can be to improve poverty okay so in

1126
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:15,920
the instance of especially a student who

1127
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,800
comes from an impoverished background

1128
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,280
you can funnel

1129
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,440
basically loans into

1130
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:24,960
this student's

1131
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,599
career pathway based on whether or not

1132
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,200
they have these micro credentials or

1133
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:31,280
these digital badges

1134
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,800
and then that company

1135
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,960
can basically get subsidized through

1136
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,720
these pay for success programs and the

1137
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,800
every student succeeds act

1138
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,119
and so that further incentivizes both

1139
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,520
the desire and the need for these

1140
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,200
digital badges which are going to

1141
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,079
determine very narrowly specific job

1142
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,920
skills so that is

1143
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,079
one way that we can actually see or

1144
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,160
track how these career pathways through

1145
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,720
the cradle to career education works

1146
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,319
which by the way that cradle to career

1147
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:00,720
stuff comes again out of the charter

1148
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,680
schooling industry which was set up by

1149
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,760
or at least was conceived of by

1150
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:09,119
president of the aft albert shanker and

1151
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:10,480
he was one of the first people to

1152
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,760
conceive of it didn't really call it

1153
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,920
charter schools at first but

1154
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:15,520
not too long ago there was an article by

1155
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:18,160
the aft called restoring shanker's

1156
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,599
vision for charter schools and it

1157
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:21,280
basically says we're not going to say

1158
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,640
whether they're good or bad let's just

1159
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,400
talk about how to improve them and in

1160
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,560
the meantime you had randy weingarten of

1161
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,160
the aft

1162
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,079
when she was the president of the united

1163
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,560
federation of teachers union she ran the

1164
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,960
uft charter school so again you know

1165
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,560
they'll talk about they're against

1166
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,720
corporatization and privatization and

1167
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:40,800
they're all about public ed

1168
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:42,160
but they're really more about

1169
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,599
public-private partnerships for

1170
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:45,200
workforce training

1171
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:48,800
oh so gross it's kind of like boy scouts

1172
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:51,680
merit badges sponsored by google

1173
00:42:57,270 --> 00:42:55,280
monsanto or pfizer it's like you've been

1174
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,280
thoroughly brainwashed with our

1175
00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,000
corporate onboarding already so you'll

1176
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,760
fit right in at our company because you

1177
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,079
got all the little badges already it's

1178
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,160
just so gross

1179
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,319
and nea actually has its own micro

1180
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:10,160
credentials that it offers for like

1181
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:12,319
teacher training so i mean they directly

1182
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:15,040
give you micro credentials and then ibm

1183
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,480
is a big one that does the micro

1184
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:17,920
credentials but yeah you know it's all

1185
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,079
about you know in this new world of obey

1186
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,920
authorities without asking questions

1187
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,599
that's perfect right you're gonna fit

1188
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:25,680
right in

1189
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,880
yeah it's it's really orwellian and dark

1190
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,040
if you ask me but you know it is what it

1191
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:34,000
is that's why we expose these things and

1192
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:38,319
you also have here some stuff about

1193
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:42,079
current or recent aft rockefeller

1194
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:43,680
connections

1195
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,680
things like the washington dc public tv

1196
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,400
partnership for english language

1197
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:52,720
learners what's that about

1198
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:55,920
that partnership is run by sharon percy

1199
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,960
rockefeller who is the wife of

1200
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,960
jay rockefeller which i think he's the

1201
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,720
fourth or the fifth i don't know there's

1202
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,400
six of them now they're going all the

1203
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,839
way down i think he's the four six too

1204
00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:08,319
many

1205
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,960
that's noteworthy because the

1206
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,160
telecommunications companies were the

1207
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,960
precursors to the edtech companies in

1208
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,400
terms of

1209
00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:18,319
technologies for learning okay so the

1210
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:20,400
audio visual

1211
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:23,440
industry was one of the precursors to

1212
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,079
the edtech microcomputer

1213
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,960
industry and so that's actually revealed

1214
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:31,440
in the unesco study 11 as well and you

1215
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:32,960
can kind of see it if you just look at

1216
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,839
stuff like how companies like

1217
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,440
which are right telecommunications

1218
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,520
companies right they're necessary to

1219
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,839
basically provide the bandwidth for all

1220
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,920
these you know microcomputing

1221
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,160
courseware programs

1222
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,440
so that public tv partnership actually

1223
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,920
it kind of harkens back to also

1224
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:54,400
project best again so project best one

1225
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:57,119
of the main contractors

1226
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,560
because this was during a transitional

1227
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,960
period when public broadcast tv like

1228
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:03,200
sesame street and stuff like that

1229
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,880
was like the premiere of i guess what

1230
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,640
you would call the edtech at the time

1231
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,960
through audio visuals

1232
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,800
as they transitioned to the micro

1233
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:12,880
computers um they had pilots for

1234
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,960
basically like early zoom

1235
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,480
through something called the cyclops

1236
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,880
project out in the uk and it was i've

1237
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,800
got diagrams for it you can see them on

1238
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:22,560
my database

1239
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:25,040
it's got like a cart with a tv the tv's

1240
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,720
hooked up to a telephone the telephone's

1241
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:28,480
hooked up to a light pen

1242
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,400
and it's got speakers that you can hear

1243
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:32,560
from a microphone you talk to so it was

1244
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,599
like hooking up tvs and radios to

1245
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,839
telephones to do this proto internet

1246
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:38,720
thing

1247
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,200
and in the meantime one of the partners

1248
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,200
for project best was the

1249
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,079
maryland instructional television

1250
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:48,079
corporation okay and it was a public

1251
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,520
broadcasting corporation but that's

1252
00:45:53,589 --> 00:45:51,680
again right that's not dc but it's

1253
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,599
maryland same state and so i think

1254
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,520
that's an interesting connection

1255
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:57,440
in terms of models of edtech

1256
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:01,520
partnerships with the aft so that wet

1257
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,640
tv

1258
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,720
partnership is with the american

1259
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,920
federation

1260
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,520
of teachers

1261
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,760
other rockefeller connections current

1262
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,440
with the aft

1263
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,079
include a partnership with somebody by

1264
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,880
the name of marla uchelli kashyap i

1265
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:19,280
believe is how you pronounce that

1266
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:21,040
but she was the associate director of

1267
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,800
working communities at the rockefeller

1268
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,720
foundation okay and then actually

1269
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:27,119
rockefeller stuff in the aft goes all

1270
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:28,880
the way back to again john dewey john

1271
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,520
dewey was one of the founding members

1272
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,839
when he became the chair of philosophy

1273
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:36,000
at the university of chicago he was

1274
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,359
funded by

1275
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,960
john d rockefeller so lots of

1276
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:41,280
rockefeller money there over a period of

1277
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:42,400
several years

1278
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,480
i think it amounted to 38 million

1279
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,880
dollars at the time right which is

1280
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,800
you know move it forward with inflation

1281
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,319
today

1282
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,319
and with the help of that funding he

1283
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,839
basically came up with this thing called

1284
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,240
functionalist psychology which was an

1285
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,319
adaptation to the stimulus response

1286
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,319
method because you know dewey came

1287
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,119
straight out of the stimulus response

1288
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,520
tradition he studied under g stanley

1289
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,200
hall g stanley hall was the first

1290
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,520
american to get a phd from wilhelm vent

1291
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:11,760
and wilhelm blunt was the man in leipzig

1292
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:13,119
university who

1293
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,319
came up with the world's first

1294
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,119
psychological laboratory so

1295
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,119
dewey's in that tradition he passes it

1296
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,280
down to john b watson john b watson

1297
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,760
comes up with behaviorist education he

1298
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:25,839
passes that down to el thorndike and

1299
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,839
eventually bf skinner who creates the

1300
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,440
modern teaching machine which becomes

1301
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,200
the adaptive learning software that we

1302
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,760
have in the schools today

1303
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,240
also the work of el thorndyke that was

1304
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,400
at columbia university and that would

1305
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,079
have been out of the lincoln school the

1306
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,359
lincoln school was basically set up

1307
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,440
built on dewey's

1308
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,359
functionalist ed psych

1309
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,359
because dewey moved over there and

1310
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,760
became a professor at columbia

1311
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,680
university as well and then the lincoln

1312
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,240
school was funded by the rockefeller

1313
00:48:02,150 --> 00:47:59,119
general education board okay and then in

1314
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,160
the meantime right moving forward

1315
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:05,359
you have the president of the aft albert

1316
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,400
shanker

1317
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:08,240
he was a member of the trilateral

1318
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,280
commission

1319
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:11,040
i have a funny story about how i learned

1320
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,160
that i learned it from one of

1321
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,400
charlotte's friends anne herzer who i

1322
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:16,880
was in communication with by email and

1323
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,200
she told me that she one day confronted

1324
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:21,920
him as to why the aft only supports

1325
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,440
left-wing

1326
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:26,079
politicians and she said he immediately

1327
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:27,599
he got really nervous and started

1328
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:29,920
shaking her hand and saying oh but i'm a

1329
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,839
member of the trilateral commission

1330
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,599
which i thought was pretty odd because

1331
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,280
right again you're supposed to be like a

1332
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,359
representative of a public union but

1333
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:39,040
you're hanging out with these corporate

1334
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,800
globalists right at these

1335
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,119
non-governmental roundtables

1336
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,119
so i looked it up and he admits it in a

1337
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,880
speech and at this meeting of the

1338
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,240
american trilateral commission he says

1339
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,880
he met quote with bankers and the head

1340
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,480
of ibm

1341
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,319
and then you know the trilateral crew

1342
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:56,079
mission remember is set up by david

1343
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,440
rockefeller

1344
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,280
and the big new brzezinski and i should

1345
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:00,880
mention that

1346
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,599
brzezinski who not just that he helped

1347
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,599
set up the trilateral commission but in

1348
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,520
his between two ages america's role in

1349
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,960
the technotronic era he's basically

1350
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,480
predicting the fourth industrial

1351
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,839
revolution and

1352
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,839
his prediction is that in the future

1353
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:16,400
quote home-based education through tv

1354
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,920
consoles and other electronic devices

1355
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,000
will be the future of schooling okay and

1356
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,079
then he also talks about

1357
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:26,640
how the quote involvement of business

1358
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,400
companies and education may lead to a

1359
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,240
more rapid adaptation of the latest

1360
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,240
techniques and scientific knowledge to

1361
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:34,319
the educational process so what is he

1362
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,599
talking about he's talking about

1363
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:37,040
basically

1364
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,640
edtech computers distance learning

1365
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,720
managed by businesses that's your public

1366
00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,960
private charter school industry

1367
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,800
through scientific management that's

1368
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:49,119
your behaviorist ed psych so all the

1369
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:50,640
stuff we're talking about

1370
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,359
brzezinski with his buddy rockefeller at

1371
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:55,200
the trilateral commission they were all

1372
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,880
for it and they were hanging out with

1373
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:59,520
aft president albert schanker so you've

1374
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,119
just pushed that forward to people like

1375
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:03,119
marla uchilli kashyap

1376
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,800
and this partnership with sheriff percy

1377
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:06,880
rockefeller and then you can see how it

1378
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,040
links up with the rockefeller foundation

1379
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:11,760
right now has something called the great

1380
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,319
transition sounds very original right

1381
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:15,920
maybe a little something like the great

1382
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,319
reset which we all know is right the

1383
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,720
world economic forum's whole push to ram

1384
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:22,000
through this fourth industrial

1385
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,000
revolution and so the rockefeller

1386
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:26,559
foundation's great transition basically

1387
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,760
it's got all that stuff in it

1388
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,599
public-private partnerships distance

1389
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,440
learning he wants quote a common

1390
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:33,119
platform for testing planning and

1391
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:34,640
peer-to-peer learning so there's your

1392
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,079
performance-based assessments and then

1393
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:38,319
he also wants digital id

1394
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:39,760
that's your blockchain stuff that's

1395
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,440
going to follow you around and get

1396
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:42,880
tracked through the internet of things

1397
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:49,430
well it's a big club and we ain't in it

1398
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,480
and

1399
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:52,240
now it's not in your outline but i hope

1400
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,000
we could save a little time at the end

1401
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,160
here to talk about solutions because

1402
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,480
it's great to break down all these

1403
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:00,880
problems and reasons to avoid public

1404
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,800
schools for our kids

1405
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,800
but let's say we've decided that we've

1406
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,400
heard you and we don't want to put our

1407
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,880
kids through these systems what a lot of

1408
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:10,960
us don't know about are the best

1409
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,520
available options that will set our kids

1410
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:15,920
up for success what do you consider to

1411
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,359
be the best alternative or homeschooling

1412
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:21,520
resources that people should be looking

1413
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,119
at

1414
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,520
you know i originally wrote the book you

1415
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:27,200
know i'm a public educator as a

1416
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,839
defensive public education but i've been

1417
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:31,839
spinning my wheels hard trying to get

1418
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:34,000
any traction to like push back against

1419
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,880
this whole edtech takeover so

1420
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:38,240
you know i still think all of the

1421
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,680
five-point planning i laid out in the

1422
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,440
book and people can listen to the other

1423
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,440
show i did with you to get those

1424
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:46,079
those are still avenues uh still

1425
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,160
strategies that we could apply to

1426
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,160
potentially reform public schools but i

1427
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:52,000
think that in the meantime pressure

1428
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,040
needs to be put on the public schools by

1429
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,280
opting out and by you know doing some

1430
00:52:02,069 --> 00:51:59,839
more organic homeschooling type stuff

1431
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:02,079
that means right you're not

1432
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:04,000
signing up for a public private charter

1433
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,599
school that's using the same curriculum

1434
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:08,079
and the same edtech products that means

1435
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,440
you're going to have to

1436
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:11,839
come up with a homeschool situation and

1437
00:52:17,349 --> 00:52:15,359
they have them i want to say

1438
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:17,359
the logos school in

1439
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,720
ohio if i'm correct is an example but

1440
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:22,559
there are home school options that you

1441
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:24,240
have where you don't have to be plugged

1442
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,920
into a computer

1443
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:27,680
you know if you're a parent and you feel

1444
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,160
like well i don't feel like i can

1445
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:32,400
homeschool my kids because you know i

1446
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,000
don't know maybe my educational

1447
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,160
background is not very extensive you

1448
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,559
know i don't think that's necessary i

1449
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,000
think that you know it can be a learning

1450
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:42,160
experience for both of you

1451
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,760
and you know there's other models like i

1452
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,760
have a friend his name is andy libson

1453
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:48,240
he's a teacher in san francisco and he

1454
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,359
recently

1455
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,200
he's at a public school and he doesn't

1456
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,440
want to do the lockdown stuff so he on

1457
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:55,200
the weekends has been working with a

1458
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:57,920
group of mothers comite de las madres

1459
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:59,920
and he works with their kids and the

1460
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,359
parents they all come together at the

1461
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,359
park and they learn together

1462
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,800
you know and they even talk about they

1463
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:07,200
don't just do like basic educational

1464
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,040
lessons but they talk about the fourth

1465
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:11,040
industrial revolution they talk about

1466
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:12,800
vaccine passports they talk about the

1467
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,280
great reset and strategies for that so

1468
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,440
maybe that's a model that i i would like

1469
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,440
to see you know gain some traction where

1470
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:21,760
people just start to you know learn on

1471
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:24,640
the park organically on their own now

1472
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:27,440
there's this weird dichotomy where

1473
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:29,599
people want to have a certificate or be

1474
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,720
accredited

1475
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:32,400
at the end of their education in order

1476
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,079
to move into higher learning or a job or

1477
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:35,920
etc obviously you don't get that from

1478
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,760
some of the things i'm suggesting right

1479
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:39,520
so going and learning organically at the

1480
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:41,920
park or doing some lessons i guess with

1481
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:43,760
an online tutor who doesn't have an

1482
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,400
accredited school that he or she is tied

1483
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,680
to

1484
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,440
but learning itself should be done for

1485
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,520
its own sake and she should be organic

1486
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:53,760
so i think that if you can put pressure

1487
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,319
on the public schools by taking your

1488
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,079
business elsewhere either at the home

1489
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:00,559
school or doing some like you know

1490
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:03,520
one room school house system at the park

1491
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:06,079
i think these are ways to put pressure

1492
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,960
on the schools you know but otherwise

1493
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:10,400
there's that five point

1494
00:54:13,109 --> 00:54:11,760
program that you could take a look at in

1495
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,119
my book and

1496
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,760
on the previous show that i did correct

1497
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,280
yeah yeah

1498
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,280
not bad advice i mean we gotta let the

1499
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,280
free market work right because they'll

1500
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:24,319
pile on as much of this as we allow them

1501
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:27,280
to but if we react and there's no kids

1502
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,359
in the school then they will acquiesce

1503
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,760
and say okay fine kovid

1504
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:34,319
shots are not required but if we just

1505
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:36,079
don't react do we just put up with this

1506
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:37,920
[\h__\h] they'll keep piling on more and

1507
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,720
more

1508
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:40,960
and another silver lining it's great

1509
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:44,799
that you mention it is this op has

1510
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:47,760
allowed people an opportunity to find

1511
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,400
the others in that same way in the way

1512
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,480
of like here's a bunch of kids studying

1513
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,119
in the park maybe i should meet these

1514
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:57,119
parents and get my kid engaged with

1515
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:58,720
these because

1516
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,079
it is true fearlessness in a culture of

1517
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:05,040
fear and if you build those

1518
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,640
relationships and that network now

1519
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,480
how are they ever going to break it up a

1520
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,079
lot of us are on our own right now we've

1521
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:15,119
just been navigating as best we can

1522
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:15,839
but

1523
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:18,480
this forced a lot of our relationships

1524
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,319
to change and in that opportunity

1525
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:25,359
we get stronger bonds that can't be

1526
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:27,680
broken by anything because if you are

1527
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:30,880
finding people that you can resist this

1528
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:34,079
coronavirus chaos with i don't know how

1529
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,440
they'll ever break you apart i don't

1530
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,200
know how they'll ever

1531
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,520
brainwash you or get you into a fear

1532
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,000
campaign because this is their

1533
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,240
grand finale if you ask me i mean this

1534
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,400
is the biggest fear campaign of our

1535
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:49,599
lifetimes and i think it prepares you

1536
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,480
better for navigating the next one with

1537
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,880
people who are also on that same page so

1538
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,880
it is a beautiful opportunity i hope

1539
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:59,040
people are taking it

1540
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,559
yeah and i should add that they're not

1541
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,480
mutually exclusive like you know you

1542
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,720
could take your kids out of the school

1543
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,960
you can homeschool them in a program

1544
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,720
that doesn't plug them into a bunch of

1545
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:11,119
data mining ed tech then on the weekends

1546
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,720
you could go and meet with these other

1547
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,799
families and do this organic thing in

1548
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,720
the park and then in the meantime since

1549
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,640
you're paying public tax dollars to

1550
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,160
support these public schools you could

1551
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,480
still go to the public school boards and

1552
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,400
tell them no we don't like this that's

1553
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,240
why i took my kids out and hey maybe if

1554
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,000
you change stuff maybe i'll bring them

1555
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,160
back so all three of these things i

1556
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:32,079
think should happen at the same time to

1557
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:34,480
apply pressure from multiple angles and

1558
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:37,119
like you said vote with your dollars and

1559
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,559
don't participate in stuff you don't

1560
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,160
want to participate i mean i i should

1561
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:42,000
just one more thing i should add is like

1562
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:43,599
as i was me and my friend andy were

1563
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,760
talking about you can't plan this all

1564
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:47,040
the way out you can't be like well we'll

1565
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,319
do this and this and this and then the

1566
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:50,240
outcome will be that all you can do is

1567
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,359
know that

1568
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:53,839
this situation right now we can't just

1569
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:54,559
keep

1570
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:56,240
capitulating to it we have to do

1571
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,839
something different and the most

1572
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,440
immediate thing is to get out of it and

1573
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,119
then you have to let that organically

1574
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,839
develop into other relationships that

1575
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:05,280
build momentum

1576
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,599
and cause the schools to react to what

1577
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,280
we're doing as opposed to we're just

1578
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,119
constantly responding to what they're

1579
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:13,599
changing from one day to the next

1580
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:14,559
yes

1581
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,000
cheers to that

1582
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,319
and also before we go we gotta plug the

1583
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,559
stuff you got going on you got this bit

1584
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,559
shoot channel now that could definitely

1585
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:25,440
use a bump in the algorithm i think you

1586
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:26,559
are one of the

1587
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,359
leaders in this space and should be

1588
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,760
and should have a view count that

1589
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:33,839
is appropriate for being a leader in

1590
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,920
this space people should subscribe to

1591
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,400
you there if they are bit shooters but

1592
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,559
you're also working with whitney webb's

1593
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,040
website and a few others tell the people

1594
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,920
where they can find your work around the

1595
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:47,760
interwebs

1596
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:50,960
okay yeah so i wrote that study 11 piece

1597
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:53,440
for unlimited hangout i was able to

1598
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:55,839
connect with whitney webb and that's

1599
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:58,319
been really cool she's awesome and i got

1600
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,839
another article

1601
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,359
we just talked about it actually it's

1602
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,079
pending the one on the unions so i'll

1603
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:06,720
probably be writing almost exclusively

1604
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,680
for unlimited hangout if not exclusively

1605
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:11,280
so you can check my stuff out there i'm

1606
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,280
trying to do every month it's hard to

1607
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,440
keep up with teaching and everything

1608
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,920
in the meantime there's a youtube there

1609
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,680
but go to bitchu because i i mean by the

1610
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:21,200
time i get any kind of traction i know

1611
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,880
they'll just delete me from youtube so

1612
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,640
go to bit shoot i'll try to get on other

1613
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:27,200
platforms as well the more support i can

1614
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:28,079
get

1615
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,920
the more i can produce

1616
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,839
and you know i can teach a few less

1617
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,520
classes as i mentioned i'm an adjunct so

1618
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:35,599
that means i have to actually tease

1619
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:37,839
double the amount of classes that tenure

1620
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:40,240
track people do because i don't have

1621
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:41,839
other what they call releases for

1622
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,440
administrative work and stuff so i have

1623
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:45,599
to take six classes instead of three so

1624
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:47,839
if you all can help me by supporting me

1625
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,319
at unlimited hangout but also i've got a

1626
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,000
database that i've been putting together

1627
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,160
it's a web brain database so it's got

1628
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,720
all these interlocking nodes uh that

1629
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:58,480
connect like all the stuff i've talked

1630
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,119
about it puts it in like a 3d map it's

1631
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,000
got links to various web pages and

1632
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:06,480
articles related to those nodes and then

1633
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,200
it also i've uploaded into those nodes

1634
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,280
all these rare documents that charlotte

1635
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:13,200
gave me and i'll be updating it every

1636
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:15,200
week i got a few subscribers there i

1637
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,640
said it's five dollars a month it's like

1638
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,559
20 cents a day it's really cheap if i

1639
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:20,559
can get more people doing that i could

1640
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:22,160
teach a couple less classes i can

1641
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:24,000
produce more videos

1642
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:25,599
so those are the three main areas

1643
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,119
unlimited hangout

1644
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:29,200
my bit shoot and then my web brain

1645
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,440
database which is at my website school

1646
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,799
world order

1647
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:34,559
dot info and then there of course there

1648
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,319
is my book which there's a link to that

1649
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,160
on my website as well at trying date

1650
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:40,240
books

1651
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:41,680
right on

1652
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:44,960
well very cool the book and website

1653
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:47,839
are obviously both school world order

1654
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:50,160
and kudos on that excellent brand in

1655
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,119
there i hope this interview throws some

1656
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,040
fuel on your fire because you're quite

1657
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:57,119
dedicated and hard working and i would

1658
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,319
just love to see it fully appreciated

1659
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,880
thanks for taking the time and for doing

1660
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,880
what you do keep fighting the good fight

1661
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,559
and take care

1662
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,319
oh man it's been a pleasure and an honor

1663
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:09,839
greg thanks so much for having me back

1664
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:15,589
the power of christ compels you people

1665
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:18,720
john kleisack breaking it all down

1666
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:22,000
connecting the dots at a very deep level

1667
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,839
it's no surprise he's working with

1668
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,240
whitney webb and unlimited hangout or

1669
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:28,559
allison mcdowell because they are all

1670
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:30,880
top-tier researchers

1671
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:32,640
and they come to these interviews with

1672
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,119
such an impressive grasp on this

1673
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:37,839
revolving door of companies

1674
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:41,040
and organizations and various industry

1675
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:44,240
leaders and project financiers

1676
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:45,680
i'm sure it can sound like an

1677
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:48,799
information avalanche sometimes

1678
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:51,359
but we are so lucky to have people like

1679
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,559
this watching the watchers you know

1680
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:56,640
sometimes i think the resistance

1681
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,880
movement is reliant on a scary low

1682
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:03,119
number of people

1683
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:05,440
not only do i have a lot of respect for

1684
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:07,920
john's work but also just anyone who

1685
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:10,400
reaches the levels that he has in

1686
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:13,440
martial arts it's not easy

1687
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:16,400
it's a real nice life asset to have as

1688
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,799
long as you can avoid the kind of

1689
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:20,960
cameron poe

1690
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,880
con air situation

1691
01:01:26,549 --> 01:01:24,720
you gotta register your hands as lethal

1692
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,559
weapons and all that

1693
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,040
but as for his work i just wanted to

1694
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:31,920
highlight how god damn accurate he was

1695
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,799
right before covet hit that first

1696
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:36,640
interview was great and his book is

1697
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:38,960
awesome but the timing was super

1698
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:42,720
unfortunate because we recorded it when

1699
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:44,559
i thought it was still pretty easy to

1700
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:48,160
write kovit off as a news cycle scare

1701
01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,480
another bird flu or something where it's

1702
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:52,640
just a news story for a couple of weeks

1703
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:54,240
and then it's over

1704
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:56,720
and in between recording with john and

1705
01:02:02,230 --> 01:01:59,440
releasing it to you guys that is when we

1706
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:02,240
went into lockdowns and all that [\h__\h] so

1707
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:03,440
for me

1708
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:05,760
i felt weird putting out an episode that

1709
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:08,640
didn't address that stuff at all when it

1710
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,960
was clearly at the forefront of people's

1711
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:12,160
minds

1712
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:14,880
the material was very related but the

1713
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,200
predictive nature of what he was saying

1714
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:19,440
in the book and in that first interview

1715
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:22,319
it doesn't hit as hard when

1716
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:24,079
we're seeing it enacted and we're all

1717
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:25,839
under a lockdown it's like well duh

1718
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:28,240
anyone could predict computer-based

1719
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:30,240
learning now

1720
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:32,000
but don't forget how long it takes to

1721
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:34,799
write a book so he was on these things

1722
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:38,160
well well in advance and when i see john

1723
01:02:43,109 --> 01:02:40,720
doing presentations on his youtube or

1724
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:43,119
bit shoot with under 100 followers on

1725
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,640
his channel

1726
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:46,799
something is wrong

1727
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:48,880
and one of my favorite parts of what i

1728
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:51,520
do one of the perks of this job

1729
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:53,599
that does actually keep it fresh and

1730
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:56,400
motivates me is when i can really make a

1731
01:03:03,029 --> 01:02:58,720
difference in the attention and

1732
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:03,039
appreciation that one of our guests gets

1733
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,039
obviously sometimes i have someone on

1734
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:07,839
like david ike or andy wakefield where

1735
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,559
thc is just one of many interviews and

1736
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:12,400
we're probably actually on the receiving

1737
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:15,280
end of more new exposure than they are

1738
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,160
but other times thc is a nice bump from

1739
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:20,880
what a person might be used to

1740
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,280
it's all relative but in those times

1741
01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:25,119
where i feel like it does make a

1742
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,680
difference it feels good when i can feel

1743
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,200
like putting a show out with them is

1744
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:32,079
contributing to that work paying off

1745
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:34,960
and this kind of research can be tiring

1746
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:37,440
and isolating and you got to be really

1747
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:39,440
persistent and dedicated and when you

1748
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:41,920
feel like there's nobody to talk to and

1749
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:43,359
you're looking around and all the

1750
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:45,359
sheeple just don't know what you're

1751
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:48,720
talking about or see why it's important

1752
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:50,480
huh

1753
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:52,720
i mean think about how it feels

1754
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,160
to just be the kind of person who

1755
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:56,640
listens to a show like this and shares

1756
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:00,160
these general opinions and philosophies

1757
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:02,240
but you can put it down and take a break

1758
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,079
anytime you want

1759
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:06,480
and by contrast scale that up to being

1760
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,400
someone who puts in the hours to know a

1761
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:10,799
subject like this inside and out

1762
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:13,280
writes the premier book on the subject

1763
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:16,319
and still feels that odd man out feeling

1764
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:18,319
from time to time

1765
01:04:22,950 --> 01:04:21,039
it takes some real perseverance

1766
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:22,960
and i respect it a lot that's all i'm

1767
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,400
saying

1768
01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:27,119
in higher side news i have been inspired

1769
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:31,200
by pam popper and no agenda actually

1770
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:34,079
to try and have a real world meetup here

1771
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:36,880
in san diego i want to meet more locals

1772
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:39,599
who are ideologically aligned

1773
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:41,359
my wife would probably like to meet some

1774
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:43,760
cool moms and i want to get a better

1775
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:46,400
grip on which businesses and business

1776
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,119
owners are on our page

1777
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,359
and i have a decent opportunity in what

1778
01:04:56,230 --> 01:04:53,520
i do i should use it

1779
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:56,240
it might not be there forever you know

1780
01:05:01,589 --> 01:04:58,880
so i have a place in the gas lamp picked

1781
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:01,599
out it should be great for a casual hang

1782
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:04,160
i'm going to do it sometime in september

1783
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:06,400
and i think the best thing to do is to

1784
01:05:11,109 --> 01:05:08,319
just put out an announcement in the

1785
01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:11,119
podcast feed on its own

1786
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:13,200
rather than tack it on to the end of one

1787
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:15,359
of the next few episodes

1788
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:17,920
maybe i can rope in alex from skeptico

1789
01:05:21,349 --> 01:05:20,079
or sofia small storm to hang out with us

1790
01:05:23,990 --> 01:05:21,359
i don't know

1791
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:24,000
but i don't want to do a convention or a

1792
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:26,480
presentation or anything like that but i

1793
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:29,760
do want to have a nice cathartic hang

1794
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:31,920
with like-minded people

1795
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,920
and i've even thought about building out

1796
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:35,520
a part of the website in the future

1797
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:37,440
where people can host and coordinate

1798
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:40,079
their own thc meetups across the country

1799
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:42,160
whether i'm there or not

1800
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:43,520
because i'm sure a lot of people feel

1801
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:44,960
like i do

1802
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:48,079
we do have the forums which you know

1803
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:50,319
there is a thread for organizing meetups

1804
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:52,000
but it's not getting the kind of volume

1805
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:54,319
that an announcement on the air is gonna

1806
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:55,680
get

1807
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,680
all right and another thing so i wasn't

1808
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,440
gonna plead for anything extra just

1809
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:01,359
because we're having a baby

1810
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:03,599
i certainly would appreciate more plus

1811
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:06,559
sign ups as always but i'm not one to

1812
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:08,960
ask for anything more than that at this

1813
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:11,599
point but i have gotten a fair amount of

1814
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:13,920
emails and messages about wanting to

1815
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:16,079
contribute a little more or asking about

1816
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:18,480
a registry and

1817
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:21,200
honestly i i think a registry is a bit

1818
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:23,039
too personal

1819
01:06:26,990 --> 01:06:25,280
but people have said hey man i wanted to

1820
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:27,000
throw you a little extra cash as a

1821
01:06:30,789 --> 01:06:28,960
congratulations and i can't find a

1822
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:30,799
convenient way to do it

1823
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:32,960
and that's true there isn't one because

1824
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:35,200
i don't typically uh ask for more than a

1825
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,039
plus subscription but

1826
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:39,039
i guess i would just say that if you're

1827
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:41,680
one of those super kind and generous

1828
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:44,160
people that would want to throw me a few

1829
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:46,400
extra bucks as i'm stepping into this

1830
01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:48,559
new chapter of life

1831
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:51,920
you could use paypal to send me anything

1832
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:54,480
by using my email the highersidechats at

1833
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:56,559
gmail.com

1834
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:00,559
or i'm also on venmo as greg-car wood

1835
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:03,280
there should be only one and the profile

1836
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:05,920
image is of my upside down dog if you

1837
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:08,480
want to be really really sure

1838
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:12,000
and i feel kind of icky right now

1839
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:14,240
i see so many hey i'm getting married

1840
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:17,039
buy me a shot here's my cash app window

1841
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:18,480
writings now

1842
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:20,960
and i just think it's kind of a tacky

1843
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:22,240
trend

1844
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,079
but i do have this network of listeners

1845
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:26,160
and a show committed to sponsorship and

1846
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:29,119
ad free listener supported income

1847
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:31,039
though it's not like people ever really

1848
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:34,000
get a baby bonus at their jobs

1849
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:39,190
so for those people who have asked the

1850
01:07:42,990 --> 01:07:41,680
higher side chats at gmail.com through

1851
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,000
paypal or

1852
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:45,359
greg.carlwood on venmo

1853
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:46,960
and of course you could send anything to

1854
01:07:52,470 --> 01:07:49,680
my p.o box or crypto addresses which are

1855
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:52,480
both in the show notes

1856
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,960
but ultimately really all i want is for

1857
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:57,119
more free listeners to opt into hearing

1858
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:58,799
the full show because it helps our

1859
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:01,119
guests as well

1860
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,079
it's less than 100 bucks for a full year

1861
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:06,480
and the complete archives you get

1862
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,400
everything i've ever done in the plush

1863
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:10,559
show rss feed

1864
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:12,960
that's the support i prefer because it's

1865
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:15,920
on merit and it's not just me asking you

1866
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:18,080
for something you're deciding to

1867
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:20,480
purchase a service you like

1868
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:22,480
and even though all the books on

1869
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:24,719
subscription-based businesses say that

1870
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:26,560
if you have three to five percent of

1871
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:28,319
your free audience opting into the

1872
01:08:31,829 --> 01:08:30,400
premium service that's about as good as

1873
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:31,839
it gets

1874
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:34,640
i refuse to believe that

1875
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:37,759
i know every free listener would enjoy a

1876
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:40,159
second hour of the show and i should be

1877
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,400
able to get them just on the quality of

1878
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:44,319
the show itself

1879
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:46,400
maybe i'm naive but in today's episode

1880
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:48,799
with john the extra hour is full of good

1881
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,359
stuff well not good stuff but bad stuff

1882
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:53,520
that it's good to know about

1883
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,000
the formation of vaccine passport

1884
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:57,839
partnerships in the schools and what's

1885
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:00,400
going on right now and who's involved

1886
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:03,279
the history of behaviorists in education

1887
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,279
tech and r d

1888
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:07,440
eugenics in education and american

1889
01:09:14,149 --> 01:09:10,480
history globalism and test communities

1890
01:09:15,669 --> 01:09:14,159
for new education programs the watson ai

1891
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:15,679
program

1892
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:18,159
and school authorities and the call for

1893
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:20,799
mandatory covid vaccinations for good

1894
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:22,239
measure

1895
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,799
john definitely deserves a solid attaboy

1896
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:26,960
for all he does i know i'm laying it on

1897
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:30,000
thick but it is that part of the thing

1898
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:32,000
this episode pairs really nicely with

1899
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,319
the last time jon was on the whole thing

1900
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:36,480
about corporate sponsored micro

1901
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:38,960
credentials was pretty messed up

1902
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:41,120
on top of everything else

1903
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:43,440
i do hope john does put together some

1904
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,000
resources or becomes a resource on the

1905
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:48,400
solutions side of all this

1906
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:50,239
i would guess that that's in the cards

1907
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,880
but encourage him to do so if you agree

1908
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,080
with me

1909
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:56,080
and i guess that's it i'm getting out of

1910
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:57,040
here

1911
01:10:02,310 --> 01:09:59,600
i've done my part your move edtech

1912
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:02,320
tyrants big data desperados and arcon

1913
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:04,239
controlled criminals of childhood

1914
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:05,600
development

1915
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:09,199
your [\h__\h] move

1916
01:10:15,669 --> 01:10:12,640
have a drink and a smoke

1917
01:10:19,189 --> 01:10:15,679
listen to the cast

1918
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:19,199
we shine a shiny spotlight

1919
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:22,560
but criminals don't blast

1920
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:26,080
the pinstripe men of mourning

1921
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:29,440
and families of finance

1922
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:32,960
dupont windsor and rothschild

1923
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,320
the kids don't stand a chance

1924
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:38,000
the kids don't

1925
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:42,719
stand a chance

1926
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:44,880
i said the kids don't

1927
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:47,600
the kids don't stand the kids don't

1928
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:50,080
stand a chance

1929
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:53,440
we're looking for the answers

1930
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:56,640
to questions never asked

1931
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:00,320
so we come to the cartwood

1932
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:03,679
for the higher side chats

1933
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:07,199
the pinstripe men of mourning

1934
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:10,560
and families of finance

1935
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:14,080
dupont windsor and rothschild

1936
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,440
the kids don't stand a chance

1937
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:19,120
the kids don't

1938
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:23,840
stand a chance

1939
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:26,960
i say the kids don't the kids don't

1940
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:31,410
stand the kids don't stand a chance

1941
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:44,960
[Music]

1942
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:48,320
involved in shady business

1943
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:51,760
we try to get a glance

1944
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:55,199
we're working on the numbers

1945
01:12:02,070 --> 01:11:58,560
resistance must advance

1946
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:02,080
the pinstriped men of mourning

1947
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:05,440
and families of finance

1948
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:08,960
dupont windsor and rothschild

1949
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:12,320
the kids don't stand a chance

1950
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:14,000
the kids don't

1951
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,719
stand a chance

1952
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:20,880
i say the kids don't

1953
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,600
the kids don't stand the kids don't

1954
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:26,000
stand a chance

1955
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:27,679
the kids don't

1956
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,400
stand a chance

1957
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:34,560
i said the kids don't